Dan J. Harkey

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Car Invoice Price and Dealer Markup: Part II of III

The real negotiation usually begins when you sit down with the closer (a.k.a. the finance Manager or sales Manager)

by Dan J. Harkey

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Summary

The salesperson will pretend to be your best friend and look out for you as your best friend: They will pretend to represent you against the big bad wolf, the closer. It’s all in the game.

πŸš— Why the Real Negotiation Starts With the Closer

Salespeople often focus on getting you comfortable enough to say yes to the idea of the car.  But:

  • The closer controls the final numbers (price, rate, fees, add-ons).
  • This is where dealerships make most of their profit.
  • They’re trained negotiators, often more skilled than the front-line salesperson.
  • They introduce the “backend” products:
    – extended warranties
    – GAP insurance
    – service contracts
    – add-on protections
    – financing terms

This stage can quickly turn from good to bad if you’re not prepared.

🎯 How to Stay in Control When You’re With the Closer

1.  Have your out-the-door number ready

Not monthly payments.
Not “what you want your payment to be.”
Tell them: “I’m negotiating the out-the-door price only.”

Separate the deal into components like the car price, trade-in value, interest rate, and add-ons to improve negotiation leverage and clarity.

Dealers love to bundle.  You should un-bundle:

  • Price of the car
  • Trade-in value
  • Interest rate
  • Add-ons

Negotiate each separately.

Bring your own Financing, such as a pre-approval, to help you feel empowered and confident, giving you leverage in negotiations.

Even if you’re open to dealer financing, having a pre-approval:

  • anchors the rate
  • exposes dealer markups
  • gives you leverage

4.  Expect the add-on push

Closers are trained to pitch high-margin products.
You can say: “No add-ons.  Print the contract clean.”

5.  Silence is your friend

When they give you a number, don’t fill the quiet.
Closers often talk themselves into lowering it.

6.  Be willing to stand up

When they know you’ll walk, the real concessions begin.

Practical Car-Buying Negotiation Checklist designed specifically for the part of the deal where the real negotiation happens: sitting down with the closer.

πŸš— Car-Buying Negotiation Checklist

A step-by-step guide you can print and take to the dealership

βœ… 1.  Before You Go to the Dealership

  • ☐ Research fair market value (KBB, Edmunds, TrueCar).
  • ☐ Get a written-out-the-door quote from at least 2–3 dealerships.
  • ☐ Secure pre-approved Financing (a credit union usually gives the best terms).
  • ☐ Know your target OTD price and your absolute walk-away number.
  • ☐ Review your trade-in value separately (KBB Instant Cash Offer as anchor).
  • ☐ Gather required documents: license, insurance, trade-in title, payoff info.

βœ… 2.  At the Dealership – Initial Salesperson Stage

  • ☐ Never discuss monthly payment — say: “I negotiate only the out-the-door price.”
  • ☐ Never reveal your maximum budget.
  • ☐ Decline early attempts to talk about Financing or add-ons.
  • ☐ Test drive, confirm trim level, options, and VIN before negotiating.

πŸšͺ 3.  When You Sit Down With the Closer — The REAL Negotiation Begins

βœ” Price Verification

  • ☐ Ask for the itemized out-the-door price, including:
    • Vehicle price
    • Taxes
    • Government fees
    • Dealer fees
    • Add-ons
  • ☐ Compare against your printed OTD quotes.
  • ☐ Circle any line items that weren’t disclosed upfront.

βœ” Trade-In (Kept Separate)

  • ☐ Ensure trade-in value is not mixed into vehicle pricing.
  • ☐ Ask: “Is this your top dollar?” and use written instant-cash offers as leverage.

βœ” Financing

  • ☐ Present your pre-approved rate.
  • ☐ Ask the closer to beat your rate, but only if it lowers the total cost, not just the payment.
  • ☐ Watch for:
    • Marked-up interest rates
    • Extended loan terms
    • Hidden loan add-ons (etching, service packages rolled into the loan)

βœ” Add-On Protection Products

Say this phrase and repeat it as needed:
“No dealer add-ons.  Print the contract clean.”

  • ☐ Decline:
    • Extended warranties
    • GAP insurance (unless dealer financing and you genuinely need it)
    • Tire/wheel packages
    • Fabric protection
    • VIN etching
    • Paint protection
    • Alarm packages
  • ☐ Demand removal of all pre-loaded add-ons unless you requested them.

🚨 4.  Red Flags to Watch For

  • ☐ Payment packing (“What if I could get you to $499/month?”).
  • ☐ Confusing or bundled line items.
  • ☐ Add-ons are automatically included without permission.
  • ☐ Sudden “market adjustment” fees.
  • ☐ High doc fees that vary or seem inflated.
  • ☐ Pressure to sign before seeing a full contract.

πŸ“„ 5.  Before Signing Anything

  • ☐ Read the contract line-by-line — especially the finance section.
  • ☐ Confirm the APR, loan term, fees, and OTD price match what was agreed.
  • ☐ Ensure no unwanted add-ons reappeared.
  • ☐ Ask for all numbers in writing before providing your signature.

🚢‍♂️ 6.  Your Final and Most Powerful Tool

βœ” Willingness to walk away

If something feels off, say:

“Thanks, but I’m not comfortable with these numbers.”

Stand up.
Watch how quickly the price changes.